Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). No, he predicted (just as we predict) based on known information. Segment 1 (0:00) – God is in control of everything and allows everything that happens, including calamities. but pay the penalties of that misery in which Adam fell by the Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf, Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so that they cannot respond to the gospel. You take your interpretation of God’s sovereignty way too far. 1:11- “[God] brings about everything according to the perfect counsel of His will.” Arminianism treats our Lord’s parable of the Supper to which further guests were invited in place of those who never came (Luke 14:16-24; cf. 2. No, if that is the case, then Jesus did not PAY our debt on the cross — the cross merely was an appeal by Jesus to the Father to forgive the debt (it was NOT payment). Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. We are dependent on Him, not only for our origin, but also for our continuing existence.” ― R.C. I might be very impressed with your smartness, and say, “wow, B knows everything!” yet I don’t mean it literally. Of co Rejected in their minds) and then and only then bring the wheat into the barn. If you’re going to pick a god, pick a good one! 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), what each person does in their life (Prov. 1.) The truth is this: although God is not directly responsible for bad things that happen, He is ultimately responsible for everything that happens. We all deserve hell. Since God owns everything, it is not sinful for him to take a life or destroy something. Past and present are knowable. Book Review This publication is wonderful. You see if God was in control of everything then His will would always be done. Arminianism gives Christians much to thank God for, and Calvinism gives them more. His death was sufficient for all, but only effective for His elect. In that same parable, he speaks of the Sovereign’s ability to UNFORGIVE the debt if the forgiven person does not make the proper response to his forgivenness. No one would have chosen God, had He not first Chosen us. “The Lord works out everything for His own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster” (Proverbs 16:33; Ephesians 1:11). Publisher: Reformation Trust Publishing Author: R. C. Sproul Description. The New Testament writers assure us that our Father does indeed have everything under control in our lives. My story is similar to John Piper’s: http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-piper-free-will.html I hope you took the time to watch the 3 videos I posted. (Crucial Questions) - Kindle edition by Sproul, R.C.. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. I think this was a wonderful handling of this! It makes no sense for a judge to tell a person that their fine/penalty has been paid, but they must pay it again. Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. He also created the laws by which the universe is governed, and the Lord Jesus Christ continues to watch over it from heaven. Hence the reason why Jesus says “Unless you EAT my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.” This idiotic notion that everyone Jesus died for is instantly saved just because he died for them is not Biblical because Biblically he is a sacrifice not an execution swap. You say that our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of our salvation. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). The other group gets His justice. Does He care about the little things, too? “At no point whatsoever does the remarkable emphasis on the absoluteness of God’s sovereignty mitigate the responsibility of human beings who, like everything else in the universe, fall under God’s sway. Also, it has to do with a concept in the legal system called double jeopardy. Jas….finally someone on this blog has said something that makes since and not a bunch of blah blah blah. 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), “. One group God gives His grace. Romans 3: 10-18 teaches that we all have turned aside and no one seeks after God and no one can understand. It’s not about free will. The most obvious way to do this is for the worshiper to CONSUME the sacrifice. How should we understand … Summary. Thank you for your trust. Title: Does God Control Everything? and none can stay his hand “And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). All these verses teach the absolute opposite of libertarian free-will. God is not guilty for being the author of sin because of this. and he does according to his will among the host of heaven Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus paid our debt. It was God ordained that David commit that action, and He either caused Satan to tempt David so that he would do what God wanted (I think it is fair to assume that God directly caused Satan to do this because 2 Sam. Jesus says, “Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? Does God Control Everything? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? All powerful In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. no one understands; ‘the alternatives are discouraging’ yes, lets all belive in something cos otherwise we’ll just ‘despair’. Nothing you have said is offensive in the least! and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; Arminians praise God for providing a Savior to whom all may come for life; Calvinists do that too, and then go on to praise God for actually bringing them to the Savior’s feet. Isaiah 66: 1, 2 16:9- In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD determines their steps. hidden from us. 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? the chief of his creatures [Adam] to be! http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2008/05/james-white-who-controls-salvation-man.html, Josh, you said: “If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell.”. Publisher: Ligonier Ministries Author: R.C. The God revealed in the Bible is repeatedly recognized as absolutely sovereign over everything. They are very good. “… I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. (Ephesians 1:3-14 ESV). Who is God then to tell me to love my enemies? So you are telling me..He permits and wills things He sent His son to destroy??? Jesus died for the whole entire world (John 3:16) and God wants all people to be saved (2 Peter 3:9). I am glad that we have been able to consider these things with grace, as brothers! 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. God was still behind that because He had a reason for David’s action. ” The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approve of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.” ”. I denied the doctrine of election. God is also omniscient. He is not the author of sin, but only allows sin to occur for His ultimate purposes. Calvinists view God’s sovereignty as being ‘controlling’ instead of being in control. Even the Roman emperors, as power-mad as they were, delegated authority to prefects who governed the various provinces. I am sorry if I have been offensive. Matt. Format: Add to Cart. 2.) I know I am commenting on old post but I agree with your statements… .When people are saying God is ‘iin control’ i belive it’s wrong as can be!!!! The entire chapter of Romans 9 teaches us about unconditional election; Verse 10, “…when Rebecca had concieved children by one man, our forefather Isacc, 11)though the twins were not yet born and had done nothing neither good or bad- IN ORDER THAT GOD’S PURPOSE ACCORDING TO ELECTION SHALL MIGHT CONTINUE, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS CALL. Calvinism, however, does not stop here, but links with the picture of the Supper that of the Shepherd (John 10:11-18, 24-29) who has his sheep given him to care for (vv. Segment 2 (9:50) – God allows sinful things to happen but never causes them. It works this way, because if it didn’t no one could say that Christ died on their behalf. and some people are made for salvation by grace. Jehovah made everything to play its part, and even a wrongdoer for a day of disaster. many people confuse God’s longsuffering towards the wicked with His blesssing toward them… Here is the best closing statement I have ever heard on God’s sovereignty in salvation. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Take care. But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. What does it mean to say that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ? Today, by God’s grace, I see the doctrine of election as one of the most humbling doctrines in all of Scripture. It should be encouraging to know that God has a plan that will conquer what feels like the chaos of human history. Calamity is not sin but just a thing that God is allowing in our life for our good. A pastor had given a sermon in which he had lauded the truth that God caused the election of U.S. president Donald Trump. God’s Eternal Plan One of our problems with the sovereignty of God is that it frequently does not appear that God is in control of the circumstances of our lives. 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. bound, all of Adam’s children have fallen by God’s will. It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways. Further more…I shouldn’t be held accountable for that action either…because He willed it..and If He wills it..who are we as men to setup ‘justice’ for my actions?! What is the relationship between God’s sovereignty and our free will? because the Lord had judged it to be expedient; why he so judged is It is a free gift to us that we have the opportunity to get to heaven, reciceved when we acept Him into our hearts as the Lord our Savior. All honor,power, and glory being to Him alone. Long ago I did it; from ancient times I planned it. The reapers (readers) must first bind the tares to be burned (i.e. http://www.reformedliterature.com/packer-arminianisms.php. The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. this just reinforces the view that christianity is a crutch for people who cant deal with the harsh reality that life can suck sometimes. People want to believe he knows the future exhaustively, because that silly notion gives them a sense of security. BUT, God who is rich in mercy and grace, CHOSE to save. Please give me a specific verse and chapter that denotes libertarian free will. It is nice when there can be discussions of things like this without the unfortunate tendency by many to resort to name-calling and pronouncements of damnation! That is, he was not PUNISHED for your sins — he was SACRIFICED for your sins. but i am still in control of the bus’s direction. and the good of His beloved, Isaiah 40:15, 17, 18, 25, 26 I actually think this is the basic point of all Scripture: predestination of God, and dragged his posterity headlong after him. Jesus concludes that God’s forgiveness of us works the same way! He says; ‘Stay faithful to the covenant life’, but doesn’t usually hit us over the head with a sledgehammer when we don’t. Timothy J. Keller | Jan 7, 2007 Share. Merciful with His elect… and who can blame them? “John 3:16 clearly is not teaching that God loves everyone in the world. And with Lydia it is said that the Lord “opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul” (Acts 16:14). For his power and goodness are so great and incomprehensible that he arranges and does his work very well and justly even when the devils and wicked men act unjustly.”. No sovereign micromanages everything in his realm, but (obviously) delegates authority. Like God’s sovereignty, the responsibility of man includes the details of life. Because they seem possible to me. Absolutely everything! 1: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. ( Log Out /  A sacrifice must in some way be offered or accepted by the one who is to receive the benefit. I wouldn’t want to worship that God. 2:14 teaches that the natural man cannot understand spiritual things, they are foolishness to him. Pick a God who is in control and Almighty! God said, “Have you not heard? Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). And if I may use one more long quote (though I would hope you would make time to read through the entire article): Biblically, the difference between these two conceptions of how God in love relates to fallen human beings may be pinpointed thus. He simply allows them to have what they want. and among the inhabitants of the earth; For example, God caused David to take a census (which God had previously forbidden), and then punished him for the sin. but I am also in control in that i could stop the bus, roll the bus, blow it up, hit a jump, get gas, kick everyone off, welcome someone on, etc. Don’t be concerned that I have been offended! acceptance is not the same as causing. Therefore, when the Bible speaks as if God is actively doing it all, he maketh the rain to fall and collecteth the waters into rivers, and calls them forth to heaven again, and sends them back to the earth — we must interpret it not that he is actively doing it but that he has set it in motion by creating the laws of physics which keep the system going. David, I hope you would read it in its entirety. I want everyone to seek after the truth because that is the most important thing! We were all actively rebelling against God and dead in our sins. But if he knew everything exhaustively then prophecies would not be hedged in with conditions, if you do this then this, but if not then this. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. I can be in control of where the bus i am driving is headed. He may not particularly control every aspect of your life, except as you, but he does control … If we are walking in fellowship with Him, then nothing can touch us unless it is allowed by God for our good. (something I’m not sensing on this blog!). It should draw us to worship our great God. That passage in Isaiah where he says “Declaring the end from the beginning” will be trotted out against me, but in context this is only about his PREDICTING based on the STUBBORNESS of Israel that they would have to be sent into Babylonian captivity. I am only pointing to this presentation and argument. Every single person should go to hell for their sins. With all due respect, that is not only false, but ludicrously incongruent with what Jesus taught (Come to me ALL who are burdened…, etc.) Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. I thank God He said He will never leave me nor forsake me! 9:11-24, Eph. Secondly, such are figures of speech. 3.6 • 5 Ratings; Publisher Description. If it did, that would mean that God had stopped loving us, which is ridiculous. Dionysius of Corinth understood it in 170 as relating to textual corruption of the scriptures, but by 180 the false interpretation had been added (and used by Ireneaus) that the wheat and tares are people rather than words. Adam and Eve made a decision….not sure God would bring justice on something He permitted in the first place??? God sets the circumstances of our lives and so influences things that our choices are made in accordance with his plans. (Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion, 3:23.4), “Still, it is not in itself likely that man brought destruction upon We have freedom to do what we want to do…and what we want to do is determined by our nature….And by our nature, we are dead in our sin (Eph 2:1). The doctrine of sovereignty is that God is in control of everything. September 12, 2018 4 min read Dr. John Neufeld. If it was paid, then it just cannot be paid again. Do you believe what the false interpretation in Matt 13 says, that God sowed his people in the world and God sowed his people in the world? Yet while God controls those circumstances but does not control us. The future is not — not exhaustively. The mind of the flesh cannot submit itself to God (Romans 8:7-8). Paul wrote that believers in Christ have been “predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will” (Ephesians 1:11). Addresses the Possible Imbalance in our Understanding of God Between Holy and Familiar. Each human person has the free will to take refuge in Jesus. what I said to begin with, that we must always at last return to the no, this is not true. He does not give us free will then take it away. Actually, I find this teaching liberating! God choose who He would save in eternity past, before anyone was born. . I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. That would take away free will!! ordinance to that corruption which is now claimed as the cause of This is a fairly short, but powerful discussion about this topic by Jonathan Edwards called “Is God Less Glorious because He Ordains that Evil Be?”: http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/is-god-less-glorious-because-he-ordained-that-evil-be, In response to the Greg Boyd article, this is a discussion about how Paul was absolutely discussing both corporate and individual election, including eternal salvation; one cannot separate election to a “vocational” position (being a light to the world) and the salvation that would also have to be present. I’m trying to respond here to someone who says, “Well, God doesn’t control everything, but he permits lots of things.” I’m saying that’s right. Jesus even teaches in John 6:44, 65 that we cannot even come unto Him unless He enables us. He offers us blessing and cursing, life and death. 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. Sacrifices are mysterious things, however, and how and why they work rests entirely in the mind of God — they’re nonsensical in other words — so the question of why Jesus’ sacrifice can save people from hell cannot be answered. I am not arguing for Greg Boyd’s views as a whole. that thereby the glory of his name is duly revealed.” (3:23.8)”. David is still responsible for the sin, God is still blameless in His doings, and everything that happened occurred because God wanted it to occur. “And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father”(John 6:65). They all denote inability with words like: Bondage, slavery, cannot understand, does not seek, cannot come unto Me, blinded, dead in sin etc…, You said, “God has “libertarian free will.” Sin did not remove our free will.”. (See John 8:47; 18:37.). We experience the consequences of other people’s mistakes and failures. no one seeks for God. On the one hand, it was the usual fare we have come to expect in some circles. As the Westminster Confession states: “God the great Creator of all things upholds, directs, disposes, and governs all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by his most wise and holy providence, according to his infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of his own will, to the praise of the glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.”. 6:37-40; 17:6, 11f. It can be a whole lot easier to blame God for actions, and the state of the world. calvinists and non calvinists often operate with different definitions of the same words. You guys can have a stuffed plush God powerless spectator of world events but My God is GOD. But again… I am no scholar. According to Scripture, God is the superior or supreme being. http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume31/GOT031014.html. The Bible says that “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:17). And if you cannot sin in heaven (because you are free from sin, hence truly free) does that mean God is limiting you and not being loving to you? 16, 27) and follow him (v. 27), and be kept from perishing forever (v. 28). God is in control. God may have made the sun stand still to allow his people to smite more of the heathen according to the author of Joshua — but to Jesus he causes the sun to shine on the good and the bad equally. himself through himself, by God’s mere permission and without any ” He clearly is talking to Christians. I recently read an interesting article. It is the basis and enablement of our belief. According to Scripture, God “does according to his will in the host of heaven, and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off his hand or say to him, What have you done?”  (Daniel 4:35). That article by Packer is quite long, but very good. The author writes well in an interesting and factually correct way. Receive new posts by email. If you are to be a light to the nations as God’s covenant people, then you also have to be a recipient of the covenant benefits, which includes salvation. For the first man fell And again, thank you for the cordial discussion! It is a much more involved process than a more passive guidance. Change ). Is God sovereign? That is, the Sovereign frankly forgave a servant a huge debt, but the servant instead of forgiving his fellow servants went and choked them saying ‘pay me now’ and this made the Sovereign mad, so he unforgave the man and put him in debtor’s prison! God said, “Have you not heard? “The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not” — yes it is. According to Calvin (and I would say Scripture), everything that happens occurs because God has specifically ordained it to occur, either causing it to happen directly or allowing it to happen (as in the case of sin) for the purposes of His ultimate glorification. But someone can say, “I don’t believe in God, so that proves that God is not in control of everything!” Pretty strong argument isn’t it? cheers. Tim Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in NYC, has an insightful discussion about free will, pre-destination and God's omnipotence, using Romans 8 as his text. You said: “…a choice that does not include everyone.”, Both 1 Tim 2:4 and Rm 11:32 say otherwise! sole decision of God’s will, the cause of which is hidden in him.” We do deserve hell, but God does not want us to go there. And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father” (Matthew 10:29). Does God control everything? Eph. When calamity strikes we must remember that God is allowing that to happen. I would be happy to hear your thoughts on these two articles I posted. Jesus says to the Jews in John 10:26, “You do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.” He does not say, “You are not my sheep because you do not believe.” Being a sheep is something God decides for us before we believe. Pingback: My top 10 posts « Wisdom for Life, Nowhere in the Bible do we see that God loves the reprobate, in fact there is quite a lot of evidence of the contrary. If even one rouge atom is loose to do whatever it pleases, then God is not ultimately in control of the universe. If one truly wants the truth he will eventually have to put his emotions in the back seat and allow the scriptures to speak for themselves. 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. Perfect love does not limit others. no one does good, Before God created life, He had sole authority, control and responsibility. I guess it does bring some peace and comfort to know…we are not in control. The author is refuting a different author than Greg Boyd, but the ideas presented are the same: I am certain that this is a definite misreading of the teachings of historic Calvinism. “If God ceased to exist, the universe would perish with Him, because God not only has created everything, He sustains everything. This means that there was nothing in us that moved God to choose us. not even one.” He then deals with some of the philosophical and theological questions and objections the doctrine raises. To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair.’, -You started to develop a good argument, but lost it here. Again, this is biblically unsound argumentation. Its incompatible with Arminianism and Calvinism and every other understanding of Christianity! ( Log Out /  God never blesses the wicked and whatever they receive is only to their own destruction. 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